Due cose sulla Turchia e l'Europa. Una è scontata: i turchi, intesi come cittadini della Turchia, in Europa ci sono già, eccome. Ci sono arrivati cercando lavoro e qualità della vita e hanno mescolato un pezzo del loro paese con il cuore del Vecchio Continente. Basta girare per la Germania, fermarsi in un caffé a Kreuzberg, il quartiere di Berlino lungo Oranienstrasse, per capire che la Turchia della gente è già in Europa.
Basta però sollevare un velo sul Novecento per dire, al contrario, che la Turchia deve fare ancora qualche conto non economico, ma con la storia per poter entrare in un'Unione Europea che non sia solo un mercato. La questione è quella del genocidio del popolo Armeno: aleno un milione di persone uccise nel peggiore dei modi dai turchi all'inizio del Novecento e considerate ad Ankara un vero e proprio tabù.
Concordo con quanto scrive Mimmo Lombezzi, sul weblog dedicato alla Libertà di stampa. La questione armena non è un no dal sapore leghista alla Turchia, è un conto che un popolo deve fare con la propria storia.
Per questo assieme a Mimmo Lombezzi, vorremmo lanciare un appello: che la Turchia non possa entrare in Europa né altrove sino al giorno in cui non riconoscerà il primo genocidio del Novecento. E' un appello in nome della memoria, in nome di centinia di migliaia di bambini portati a morire nel deserto al confine con la Siria, in nome di migliaia di donne violentate a morte dalle truppe Turche.
Non so organizzare una raccolta di firme on line, ma chi è d'accordo, firmi qui sotto, nei commenti, con nome e cognome.
La foto mostra una fossa per seppellire i morti del massacro di Erzerum del 30 ottobre 1895.
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Posted by: wolverine at 22.12.04 23:55Il genocidio degli armeni a inizio 900 è sicuramente da condannare. Ma la responsabilità, più dei turchi io direi dei dirigenti dei turchi... Le popolazioni in sè non sono mai eccessivamente malvage, ma possono essere guidate male e aizzate con cattiva informazione come vediamo oggi. Se andiamo a fare le pulci a chi ha commesso un genocidio, non ce la caviamo più. Gli Italiani in Libia da soli (sterminammo 1/3 della popolazione), in Russia in buona compagnia, gli USA in Guatemala, in Indonesia e un sacco di altri posti, i francesi nelle loro colonie, gli Inglesi che in India causarono carestie di milioni di morti, come pure in Irlanda la famosa carestia di fine '800. L'elenco è interminabile. Si può arrivare indietro con i Romani nel 70 DC, che quando fecero la guerra giudaica sterminarono 1 milione di ebrei su 3 viventi... e ne fecero schiavi 100.000. Chi mai ne parla oggi nei libri storia? Ci raccontano che i Romani sono solo ordine, efficienza e civiltà...
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La mia firma perché la Turchia riconosca la responsabilità del genocidio degli Armeni, sempre tenendo presente quanto scritto da Paolo.
Posted by: Urbano Cipriani at 23.12.04 10:03Paolo, che i turchi non siano gente malvagia in quanto popolo è evidente. L'ho scritto anch'io nella prima parte del mio intervento. Non esistono popoli malvagi. Esistono, invece ed eccome, responsabilità storiche. La differenza tra tutti i genocidi da te citati o comunque citabili e quello degli Armeni è che se abiti in Turchia e dici che forse, per caso, un giorno sono stati uccisi dai turchi un po' di Armeni ti trovi a scontare dieci anni di carcere. Questo si chiede al governo turico, di riconoscere la propria storia, di permettere che se ne parli. In buona sostanza si chiedono libertà elementari.
Posted by: Michele Marziani at 23.12.04 14:25µ³ñÇ »Ï³ñ ³½ù¹ ÉáõÇë (peccato se il pc non prende i segni del alfabeto). Mi vien difficile da commentare questo. Poi ti dirò di piu. Grazie per gli auguri che ricambio. Besos!
Posted by: agnese at 23.12.04 14:30bella iniziativa!
Posted by: giorgia cardini at 23.12.04 17:12In risposta a Paolo preciso :
1)io ho parlato di "un paese la Turchia" non dei Turchi in generale, sebbene esista - come nel caso dei Tedeschi per la Shoah - una responsabilità collettiva: i Turchi non si opposero allo sterminio degli Armeni e depredarono con entusiasmo - specie i Kurdi -
le carovane dei deportati
2)è la prima volta che sento dire che gli italiani abbiano sterminato un terzo dei Libici
La Commissione per i crimini di Guerra dell'ONU contava 1.200 italiani nelle liste dei colpevoli di crimini di guerra. Essi erano responsabili di massacri in Libia (tra 40.00 e 80.000 morti per deportazione; 20.000 profughi su 800.000 abitanti). Crimini gravissimi ma che non possono
essere definiti un "genocidio" cioè lo sterminio
totale di un popolo.Come avvenne in Turchia, e successivamente in Germania.
Altro che "travi e pagliuzze"...
Pur con tutto il rispetto per le vittime di quel genocidio dimenticato (persino dai programmi universitari di storia contemporanea), mi viene davvero da ridere, eufemisticamente parlando, a notare come abbiate puntato esclusivamente su questa pregiudiziale "storica" per mettere all'indice la Turchia. Vi siete scordati completamente dei massacri odierni perpetrati nei territori kurdi per soffocarne le mire indipendentiste. Gli stessi stupri che avvenivano agli inizi del 900 in Armenia avvengono ancora oggi nei villaggi Kurdi e nelle caserme turche, ad opera di polizia e ed'esercito. E' un pò assurdo pretendere che la Turchia rispetti il passato dimenticandosi di chiedere che abbia vergogna del proprio presente. Le incursioni dell'esercito sui monti kurdi hanno volontariamnete provocato, meno di 10 anni fa, una enorme diaspora interna. Le popolazioni kurde di decinde di villaggi, rasi al suolo e bruciati con il bestiame sterminato, dovettero per lo più emigrare nelle grandi città turche per non morire di fame. Finendo comunque in miseria nei suburbi metropolitani. E le mine disseminate dall'esercito sulle montagne continuano a storpiare mentre nelle caserme le violazioni dei diritti umani sono all'ordine del giorno. Persino l'utilizzo della tradizionale lingua Kurda è stato reato fino a pochissimi mesi fa. La parlamentare Leyla Zana ha vissuto per anni sepolta in carcere proprio per aver tenuto in kurdo il discorso d'investitura a deputata ( http://www.assopace.org/conflitti/kurdistan/leylazana.htm ). Nelle carceri muoiono ancora numerosi dissidenti e militanti di gruppi politici e ricordo lo stillicidio di prigionieri politici e di opinione spentisi negli ultimi anni durante gli
scioperi della fame, per ottenere la cessazione delle segregazioni nelle famigerate celle "F". E' emblematico che il discorso sulle violazioni turche sia stato riesumato proprio oggi e per fronteggiare l'ingresso in UE del paese. Sembra quasi che le violazioni umanitarie importino solo nel caso che un paese debba diventare nostro pari all'interno di un sistema di governo sovranazionale, mentre magari con quello stesso paese si intrattengono notevoli scambi commerciali e lo si rifornisce di tutto punto delle stesse armi che usa per opprimere. Aprirei un'altra petizione, quella per chiedere al governo italiano
(tanto per incominciare guardiamoci in casa, no?) un'inversione di rotta nella politica di deregulation sfrenata (iniziata nella passata legislatura e portata avanti speditamente in quella presente) di esportazione d'armamenti. Daltronde, se noi gli forniamo i mezzi per perpetrare crimini oggi (e non solo alla Turchia) con quale faccia chiediamo che si assumano responsabilità per gli analoghi commessi in passato? Sebbene il conflitto turco-kurdo sia meno cruento di 10 anni fa e concessioni/rinunce d'ambo le parti abbiano stemperato gl'animi, la Turchia è ancora un paese oppresso in cui la classe militare ha un peso che in nessuna democrazia dovrebbe avere. Invito chi abbia notizie aggiornate sull'argomento a postarle qua sotto. E' da un pò che è difficile documentarsi in merito.
Saluti. Black_Cat
Giusto sulla Turchia, da reporterassociati.org
Turchia: l’ombra delle carceri sull’adesione all’Unione Europea
http://www.reporterassociati.org/index.php?option=news&task=viewarticle&sid=5548
Nel 91 filmai lo sterminio dei Kurdi,inseguiti dalle truppe di Saddam Husseyn e taglieggiati dall'esercito Turco.Nel '92 per un programma che avevo inventato proprio per raccontare queste storie filmai Kala Diza, la citta piu' bassa del mondo : le rovine piu' alte arrivavano a 2 metri dopo che era stata completamente dimanitata dall'esercito Iracheno.Credo che far pressione sulla turchia perche' riconosca il genocidio deglli Armeni sia il primo passo per indurla a
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